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the nra leadership represents the gun industry. the capitol management and remington smith and wesson and bushmast bushmaster. that's where the money comes from. the nra members pay $35 to be a member and it costs $100 for the membership. that's a loss leader. it's just so the nra leadership can say we have numbers, but it's the gun industry who is unregulate and gives tens of millions to the nra and buying off congress. it's time for congress to find their backbone. >> it is a point i'm happy you made regarding gun manufacturers and the amount of money they put into the everyday moms and dads that they like to refer to. thank you very much for your time. it's a pleasure. a 15-year-old high school band majorette performed at somebody president obama's festivities has become a latest shooting victim. she was shot in the back tuesday in a park. authorities say she was one of about a dozen teens standing under a canopy during heavy rain when a man ran towards the fence and opened fire. a teen boy was also shot in the lug. he belonged
the nra leadership represents the gun industry. the capitol management and remington smith and wesson and bushmast bushmaster. that's where the money comes from. the nra members pay $35 to be a member and it costs $100 for the membership. that's a loss leader. it's just so the nra leadership can say we have numbers, but it's the gun industry who is unregulate and gives tens of millions to the nra and buying off congress. it's time for congress to find their backbone. >> it is a point i'm...
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they like the nra and the nra likes to sell guns and they like to sell high capacity magazines. i'm not against the nra per se. i'm not against the second amendment. but i am against the high capacity magazines and the assault rifles, and i think the reasonable restrictions we can have in this country to protect the public and background checks loopholes at gun shows needs to be stopped but i don't think the government will let it happen. >> michael: it's december pressing when you see the news, all this gunfire and the republicans will not move because they're in the hands of the nra. it's really pathetic. they are a bunch of clowns sometimes. we are a better country because of people like you. thank you. >> thank you. >> reporter: it's been 39 days since the tragedy at sandy hook. at least 1131 has died from gun violence. that's about 43 towns like newtowns. lydia was shot and her mother were shot while they were preparing for a birthday party for lydia's little brother. sheher mother survived but she didn't. she leaves behind three children. another senseless life taken away
they like the nra and the nra likes to sell guns and they like to sell high capacity magazines. i'm not against the nra per se. i'm not against the second amendment. but i am against the high capacity magazines and the assault rifles, and i think the reasonable restrictions we can have in this country to protect the public and background checks loopholes at gun shows needs to be stopped but i don't think the government will let it happen. >> michael: it's december pressing when you see...
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and then we have a form nra member who quit in disgust over the position the nra is holding on these gun-control legislation, because they are way too extreme. and then we have a story about how the city of oakland is spending so much more money on the raiders than they are on cops, and the results that is having. a young mother from oakland says she is afraid to have a young black boy in oakland. and we have a filmmaker that made a movie about how they are crying to create creationism in texas. >> jennifer: wow. sounds like a jam-packed night. all right. we'll be watching at the top of the hour. thanks, cenk. >> thank you. >> jennifer: chuck hagel will face some tough questions tomorrow. he has been nominated for secretary of defense and the neo-cons are not thrilled about the prospect of hagel heading up the military because they are concerned that he won't protect the defense budget from the sharp spending cuts that are expected with the ending of the wars in iraq and afghanistan, and the looming threat of the sequester, those cuts could slash the pentagon's budget -- here is what
and then we have a form nra member who quit in disgust over the position the nra is holding on these gun-control legislation, because they are way too extreme. and then we have a story about how the city of oakland is spending so much more money on the raiders than they are on cops, and the results that is having. a young mother from oakland says she is afraid to have a young black boy in oakland. and we have a filmmaker that made a movie about how they are crying to create creationism in...
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the nra is opposed to this. the nra is wildly opposed to this. in tucson top, anniversary of the massacre there, the nra has come outraging against the tucson gun buyback program. they're trying to stop it. an nra board member is threatening that the nra will sue to stop tucson from destroying the guns that they handed over. the guns, regardless what their owners wanted, done with them, those guns must be sold to the highest bidder and put back into circulation. the nra says the state must not destroy the weapons that people handed over specifically so the weapons could be destroyed. instead, the nra says the state has to sell them, keep them in circulation, and thereby become a gun dealer itself. when your response to the political cliche of low-hanging fruit is something so cartoonishly insensitive, so cartoonishly villainous, you then bring upon us a second political cliche. you have jumped the shark. blocking voluntary efforts by people to get rid of their own guns because they want to voluntarily? that is an exercise in shark jumping. this i
the nra is opposed to this. the nra is wildly opposed to this. in tucson top, anniversary of the massacre there, the nra has come outraging against the tucson gun buyback program. they're trying to stop it. an nra board member is threatening that the nra will sue to stop tucson from destroying the guns that they handed over. the guns, regardless what their owners wanted, done with them, those guns must be sold to the highest bidder and put back into circulation. the nra says the state must not...
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we've heard enough from the nra. it's time they follow some simple advice from her own statement today. be bold. be courageous. we've heard enough and we've seen enough. the time is now. joining me now is lorie hauss, whose daughter, emily, survived being shot in the virginia tech massacre in 2007 and clarence page. >> lorie, let me start with you. you were at the hearing today. don't our elected leaders need to show the courage gabby showed today? >> absolutely, reverend sharpton. thanks for having me on the show. >> thank you for coming. >> frankly, we need leadership from all of our rep zen tifrs. and, you know, we demand courage from them. but, frankly, you know, it shouldn't take much courage to stand up to the nra. courage is, you know, facing down the barrel of a gun. and, you know, my daughter did that. and there were 16 other injured students at virginia tech who did that. and who stand with us in this area. you know, in my opinion, the nra should not even be at the table. i don't see reports from them. i do
we've heard enough from the nra. it's time they follow some simple advice from her own statement today. be bold. be courageous. we've heard enough and we've seen enough. the time is now. joining me now is lorie hauss, whose daughter, emily, survived being shot in the virginia tech massacre in 2007 and clarence page. >> lorie, let me start with you. you were at the hearing today. don't our elected leaders need to show the courage gabby showed today? >> absolutely, reverend sharpton....
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you. >> giffords husband mark kelly says expanding background checks should be a top priority but the nra's chief executive yesterday refused to give any ground. >> we know from what happened in tucson that if there was an effective background check which includes having the mental health data and the person's drug use in the case of the tucson shooter into the system and if, in fact, there was no gun show loophole, i would contend he would have had a very difficult time getting a gun. if background checks are good enough for somebody who is a federal firearms licensed dealer like walmart, for instance where i just purchased a gun a couple months ago, a hunting rifle and i had to good through a background check, why isn't that good for other sales? >> my problem with background checks is you'll never get criminals to go through universal background checks. i mean, all the law abiding people. you'll create an enormous federal bureaucracy. >> we're not going to prosecute the bad guys if they do catch one. and none of it makes any sense in the real world. >> that's the point. the criminals won
you. >> giffords husband mark kelly says expanding background checks should be a top priority but the nra's chief executive yesterday refused to give any ground. >> we know from what happened in tucson that if there was an effective background check which includes having the mental health data and the person's drug use in the case of the tucson shooter into the system and if, in fact, there was no gun show loophole, i would contend he would have had a very difficult time getting a...
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ten others received "a" by the nra. kimberly, if the people are getting "as" and "b"s by the nra do you think they will vote to change the constitution in the way president obama wants them to? >> kimberly: absolutely not. the nra poke the cage and super mad. this is all out war. they are not taking it sitting down. tremendous support. record number of people joining, giving money. look at the number of gun sales, ammunition sales. everything that is going on. thaw have this in their respect. if they want to hold on to the position, they have to tread carefully. >> bob: the same nra that used obama's children disgustingly. max baucus, i did his first campaign for the united states senate. he is from montana. i understand -- >> kimberly: did he win? >> bob: obviously, he wouldn't be up there. >> kimberly: you brought him in? >> bob: i did. that is not the point. baucus will vote against more than ten bullets in the clip. >> dana: they will never have a chance to vote on it. >> eric: i 100%, 1,000% agree. i don't think re
ten others received "a" by the nra. kimberly, if the people are getting "as" and "b"s by the nra do you think they will vote to change the constitution in the way president obama wants them to? >> kimberly: absolutely not. the nra poke the cage and super mad. this is all out war. they are not taking it sitting down. tremendous support. record number of people joining, giving money. look at the number of gun sales, ammunition sales. everything that is going...
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. >> the nra follows the money and the congressmen follow the nra because nra follow the money. that's that big circle that goes on all the time. then the president is addressing the fact that people are out buying guns. here is the president once more. >> obama: i think that we've seen for some time now that those who oppose any common sense gun control or gun safety measures have a pretty effective way of joining up fear on the part of gun owners that some how the federal government is about to take all your guns away. >> cenk: yeah, he's always measured in the way that he talks. >> it's like phil simms. >> cenk: expect not quite as inaccurate. >> no, that's true. i think you would say that they're both inaccurate. >> cenk: one last thing that i found interesting when asked about socializing with the republicans. he had a lot to say about that. i want to show one clip where he talks about the republicans coming over to a picnic, etc. and how relevant this is. let's watch that. >> obama: yeah, when i'm over here at the congressional picnic and folks are coming up and taking pic
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when you have the nra as the adversary of law enforcement chiefs, that's a position you want the nra in. >> the real prize in debates like this often people who use guns for a living. we convey expertise from them. we believe they are willing to step towards someone who has a gun, so while what the sheriffs of utah said is important, i don't think as katrina points out, it is a general consensus in the law enforcement community that we need to stand down and do nothing. i think again and again trying to get the people most hopped up about it and think that one step is going to lead to another step is going to lead to rhetoric, like which is not really very temperate. it makes me feel like -- do you mean we shornt even discuss this, wait until the bodies pile a little bit higher? >> i don't know at what point. >> human beings have been stacked like hardwood, and theaters and schools have been turned into kill zones. we are having a moment nationally, locally, everywhere. if this isn't a good time and a right time to talk about both the value and the limits of the second amendment, i d
when you have the nra as the adversary of law enforcement chiefs, that's a position you want the nra in. >> the real prize in debates like this often people who use guns for a living. we convey expertise from them. we believe they are willing to step towards someone who has a gun, so while what the sheriffs of utah said is important, i don't think as katrina points out, it is a general consensus in the law enforcement community that we need to stand down and do nothing. i think again and...
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the rank and file members of the nra and him and his gun lobby buddies. that was fully on display this afternoon during the hearing. >> julian, what do you make of that? this notion has been discussed at length. the constituency that we talked about in the open that the nra claims to represent and what stephen is talking about. which is other people who own guns but have a different view of the road ahead. >> well, i think it's very clear through a number of different things we've learned since the newtown tragedy that wayne lapierre represents the interests of gun manufacturers, not of gun owners. i think it's clear there's a lot of daylight between the two. one of the things that became clear today in the hearing, i think, was that lapierre's credibility is quickly evapor e evaporating. even amongst republicans who are squeamish about the lunatic things this guy has said from time to time. not just going after the president's children. not just the idea we ought to be marketing assaults to 10-year-old kids. when chairman leahy today exposed the fact lap
the rank and file members of the nra and him and his gun lobby buddies. that was fully on display this afternoon during the hearing. >> julian, what do you make of that? this notion has been discussed at length. the constituency that we talked about in the open that the nra claims to represent and what stephen is talking about. which is other people who own guns but have a different view of the road ahead. >> well, i think it's very clear through a number of different things we've...
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a dramatic appeal from gabby giffords, pleading with congress to act on guns while the head of the nra says not so fast. all of this played out at the very moment we heard of another shooting spree. >>> a deadly outbreak of tornadoes tearing up part of the south, along a dangerous line of colliding winter and summer weather that is visible from space. >>> direct strike. israel has now attacked syria in an air strike. what does this mean for this very dangerous civil war? and all the nations nearby? >>> and the parent trap. if you think it's tough cheering for your kids on the sidelines, imagine your kids are the opposing coaches in the super bowl. tonight, we'll hear from their folks. "nightly news" begins now. >>> from nbc news world headquarters in new york, this is "nbc nightly news" with brian williams. >> good evening. it takes just a moment to remember back clearly to the very moment we learned about the shootings at sandy hook elementary school in newtown, connecticut. to remember how shocked we all were and how sad and sorry a scene that was. well, this is still very much the p
a dramatic appeal from gabby giffords, pleading with congress to act on guns while the head of the nra says not so fast. all of this played out at the very moment we heard of another shooting spree. >>> a deadly outbreak of tornadoes tearing up part of the south, along a dangerous line of colliding winter and summer weather that is visible from space. >>> direct strike. israel has now attacked syria in an air strike. what does this mean for this very dangerous civil war? and...
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>> reporter: the nra says adding new laws would hit ordinary citizens, not criminals. >> my problem with background checks, you're never going to get criminals to go through universal background checks. >> reporter: many democrats want to limit magazines to ten bullets. while republicans say self defense may require more. >> one bullet in the hand of a mentally unstable person or a convicted felon is one too many. six bullets in the hands of a mother protecting her twin 9-year-olds may not be enough. >> reporter: today, in an interview with telemundo's jose diaz balart, president obama said new restrictions could make a difference. >> even if it doesn't save every person who is a potential victim of gun violence. we save a few. if we don't do that, shame on us. >> reporter: and the president goes on the road to minnesota monday to sell his own reforms. and many republicans and members of the nra are saying prosecutors today need to do more to enforce the laws that are already on the books. brian? >> kelly o'donnell, after a big day on the hill. kelly, thanks. >>> there are fewer places i
>> reporter: the nra says adding new laws would hit ordinary citizens, not criminals. >> my problem with background checks, you're never going to get criminals to go through universal background checks. >> reporter: many democrats want to limit magazines to ten bullets. while republicans say self defense may require more. >> one bullet in the hand of a mentally unstable person or a convicted felon is one too many. six bullets in the hands of a mother protecting her twin...
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democratic lawmakers took the first step toward banning assault weapons, a move that already has the nra firing back. senator dianne feinstein joins fellow democrats bruising the bill which would ban the purchase of semi automatic weapons with detaching magazine clips and also high capacity magazine. this president vowed to make gun control a priority in his second term of the newtown connecticut massacre. >> still, the bill does face a tough fight in congress and from the nra. and of of president obama's gun control proposals, analysts say this is the least likely to pass. shawn unanimous with the reasons for that. how confident are lawmakers behind the proposal? >> well, shep, senator feinstein and the other senate and house members who joined here repeatedly said they know this is going to be tough but they believe the newtown tragedy has changed the conversation and the pressure for capitol hill to get something done. here's a bit of what senator feinstein had to say. >> gun laws allow these mass killings to be carried out again and again and again in our country. weapons designed or
democratic lawmakers took the first step toward banning assault weapons, a move that already has the nra firing back. senator dianne feinstein joins fellow democrats bruising the bill which would ban the purchase of semi automatic weapons with detaching magazine clips and also high capacity magazine. this president vowed to make gun control a priority in his second term of the newtown connecticut massacre. >> still, the bill does face a tough fight in congress and from the nra. and of of...
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so you wonder about of this kind of vaunted nra is i think becoming no longer a vaunted nra. it's becoming somewhat more of a paper tiger than a caged tiger because these statements and this communications strategy is not winning any friends. it's losing lots of friends and that's why i think you even hear a lot of pro-nra members saying the kinds of things that the white house are talking about makts a lot of sense and it all shows up in the polling. the poll something overwhelmingly for doing the things that the vice president is talking about. >> but, dr. peterson, you have heard some of the things coming out from gun advocates and the nra. what is your reaction to this kind of rhetoric? it's sounding increasingly hallucinating. >> there's a lot of what we call trickology going on here. theer those on the right who are mouthpieces for the gun manufacturing lobby, what they have done is they've taken this sort of american notion of the second amendment and that he try to use this as a prop to actually continue to be able to sell more guns and to continue to along the lines
so you wonder about of this kind of vaunted nra is i think becoming no longer a vaunted nra. it's becoming somewhat more of a paper tiger than a caged tiger because these statements and this communications strategy is not winning any friends. it's losing lots of friends and that's why i think you even hear a lot of pro-nra members saying the kinds of things that the white house are talking about makts a lot of sense and it all shows up in the polling. the poll something overwhelmingly for doing...
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the nra leadership won't tell you that. they don't reflect the views of even their own members. >> julian, a study after the aurora shooting found much support for specific gun control measures. nearly all support background checks. a majority back a ban on semiautomatics and high capacity magazines. and yet the gun lobby screams that this is the beginning of some kind of governmental reign of terror when the people are expressing their views, are they not? >> right. and i think there's two points there. again, there is enormous public support for these measures. the question is whether these populous and progressive organizations and the infrastructure that they have at their disposals can begin to get the legislatures to follow up on public will here. secondly, the nra argument as stephen and michael were eluding to, there have been dozens perhaps hundreds of challenges to gun laws that are on the books across the country. and nearly every single one of them have failed. there is virtually no case law on the federal books
the nra leadership won't tell you that. they don't reflect the views of even their own members. >> julian, a study after the aurora shooting found much support for specific gun control measures. nearly all support background checks. a majority back a ban on semiautomatics and high capacity magazines. and yet the gun lobby screams that this is the beginning of some kind of governmental reign of terror when the people are expressing their views, are they not? >> right. and i think...
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it crosses nra lines so to speak. the difference here is this, over and over again whether you're talking about guns or talking about employment, health care, any other problem that's facing the country, what the other side wants to do is very clear. it's nothing. as i pointed out three years ago, their health care plan is don't get sick and if you do get sick, die quickly and we see the same thing true with guns in the wake of a terrible national tragedy, recurring tragedies, the answer is do nothing. they want to instill a kind of fatalism that means that we can't do anything to solve our problems. whether we're talking about guns we're talking about keeping weapons and ammunition out of the hands of bad people. now, this is a problem that society deals with all the time. we try to distinguish bad people from good people. we try to distinguish bad situations from good situations. i don't think our existing laws go far enough in doing that. i think it's obvious they are not working because they haven't prevented the
it crosses nra lines so to speak. the difference here is this, over and over again whether you're talking about guns or talking about employment, health care, any other problem that's facing the country, what the other side wants to do is very clear. it's nothing. as i pointed out three years ago, their health care plan is don't get sick and if you do get sick, die quickly and we see the same thing true with guns in the wake of a terrible national tragedy, recurring tragedies, the answer is do...
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the head of the nra came out afterwards and said we can check off the box met with the nra and then go do whatever they planned to do in the first place. that's what we wanted to happen because the power the unlimited power, the days of the unlimited power of the nra are now clearly over. and it is about time. it's not because the american people have changed. it is because the nra has changed from an organization that once represented responsible gun owners to an organization today that is nothing but the lobby for irresponsible gun manufacturers. vice president joe biden says he will now have his recommendations to president obama on gun violence, how to deal with it, by next tuesday. good for joe biden. has to be the fastest job on a task force in history. have a great weekend everybody! thanks for being with us this week. we'll see you again here on monday.
the head of the nra came out afterwards and said we can check off the box met with the nra and then go do whatever they planned to do in the first place. that's what we wanted to happen because the power the unlimited power, the days of the unlimited power of the nra are now clearly over. and it is about time. it's not because the american people have changed. it is because the nra has changed from an organization that once represented responsible gun owners to an organization today that is...
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and the nra, so for him it's a tricky situation. i think it's going to be -- you've asked debbie wasserman-shultz, does her voice resonate. of course it does emotional. i was there when she got a standing ovation and hugged the president, but it's going to be a tough road to ho. i think you'll see folks say, let's have a smaller piece of legislation that might be more acceptable to conservatives who don't want to go too far. the universal background checks is the most likely and the bigger issues enjoy almost 90% in public polling but the bigger issue will be harder to achieve. >> the nra is talking about what they feel is the obvious choice in all of this, it's not more gun regulation, it's enforcing laws we have on the books and evaluating mental health and the fact they think more schools to avoid school shootings need more armed security. the nra statistics since the newtown shooting, 4.5 million people current membership, they report a 400,000 surge in membership, 8,000 a day week after the shooting. ben, when you look at those
and the nra, so for him it's a tricky situation. i think it's going to be -- you've asked debbie wasserman-shultz, does her voice resonate. of course it does emotional. i was there when she got a standing ovation and hugged the president, but it's going to be a tough road to ho. i think you'll see folks say, let's have a smaller piece of legislation that might be more acceptable to conservatives who don't want to go too far. the universal background checks is the most likely and the bigger...
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but the nra is a fearsome political lobby. members particularly in the republican party are terrified of being primaried. this issue is often covered through a partisan prism when it should be looked at through a regional prism. if you talk about democrats in the south, in the mountain west, and places like north dakota, and you saw the new saar heidi heitkamp come out and she thinks some of the proposals coming out of the white house are way too extreme for her. so you'll have republican senators like mark kirk in illinois who have been open in the past on issues like assault weapons bans, and you'll have democrats in the west, the mountain west and the rural south that will be absolutely opposed to it. and as you said earlier, though it is nonsense, and i'm certainly a person who believes that you can be a second amendment supporter, and also have sensible regulations on guns, but this issue plays out on the extremes, on the absurd binary choice that has defined the issue for so long. >> and that analysis, what you said ther
but the nra is a fearsome political lobby. members particularly in the republican party are terrified of being primaried. this issue is often covered through a partisan prism when it should be looked at through a regional prism. if you talk about democrats in the south, in the mountain west, and places like north dakota, and you saw the new saar heidi heitkamp come out and she thinks some of the proposals coming out of the white house are way too extreme for her. so you'll have republican...
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we're also told the nra will be a part of these meetings. more meetings are expected down the road with representatives from hollywood and game industry. "the washington post" reports the vice president's plan is designed to be big, comprehensive. new jersey's governor chris christie says that's the only way to get it passed. >> if it was comprehensive, if it was comprehensive, there's no doubt in my mind that we could come to an area of compromise. but it's got to be comprehensive. and if it isn't, then you're not -- you're going to have the same kind of good luck in washington you've had all along. >> biden is hashing out a plan on the national level, there's move on the state level, too. this afternoon, new york governor and drew cuomo will propose one of the country's strictest bans on assault weapons for this state. in connecticut governor dan malloy announced 16 councils looking at gun safety and gun violence prevention. leather bring in jackie kucinich and "washington post" journalist david millbane. >> good morning. >> a spokesman sa
we're also told the nra will be a part of these meetings. more meetings are expected down the road with representatives from hollywood and game industry. "the washington post" reports the vice president's plan is designed to be big, comprehensive. new jersey's governor chris christie says that's the only way to get it passed. >> if it was comprehensive, if it was comprehensive, there's no doubt in my mind that we could come to an area of compromise. but it's got to be...
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where the nra is based. she's coming from richmond virginia, welcome inside "the war room." >> thank you for having me. >> jennifer: you bet. virginia is now considering a measure to arm teachers. do you think that will prevent school violence? >> no, i do not. what will prevent school violence is a measured, practical, and realistic approach. arming teachers is a concept that is rejected by most virginians, and i'll tell you why. teachers are trained to teach. police officers are trained to protect the community. it takes time and experience to develop the adjustment in a crisis situation. police officers have that training. teachers don't. you know, a couple of hours of training for a teacher to carry a firearm is one thing. a crisis situation is something else. >> jennifer: so i'm interested in this. your colleague or your a colleague in the legislation bob marshall proposed that very measure. he was in "the war room" this week and i would love for you to take a listen to what he had to say. >> if a perso
where the nra is based. she's coming from richmond virginia, welcome inside "the war room." >> thank you for having me. >> jennifer: you bet. virginia is now considering a measure to arm teachers. do you think that will prevent school violence? >> no, i do not. what will prevent school violence is a measured, practical, and realistic approach. arming teachers is a concept that is rejected by most virginians, and i'll tell you why. teachers are trained to teach....
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and i think the nra was concerned that a law was going to be passed that theo y -- opposed. so they made a law in favor of background checks. i think there was a back lash that said you never should make a tactical decision, you should stand for principles, and i think it explains his apparent flip-flopping between '99 and today. and the other thing to remember is that wayne lapierre is not the leader, per se, of the national rifle association. he leads at the behest of the board. and i think right now there is a great deal of turmoil, for reasons that krystal discussed, because of the pressure that we've seen for gun control in this country. >> let's listen to a point that dick durbin made. >> we need the fire power and the ability to protect -- ourselves from our government, from the police if they knock on our doors and we need to fight back, do you agree with that point of view? >> if you look at why the founding fathers put it there, they lived under the tyranny, and didn't want to live under tyranny. >> chief johnson, you have heard it. the belief that the nra as a sec
and i think the nra was concerned that a law was going to be passed that theo y -- opposed. so they made a law in favor of background checks. i think there was a back lash that said you never should make a tactical decision, you should stand for principles, and i think it explains his apparent flip-flopping between '99 and today. and the other thing to remember is that wayne lapierre is not the leader, per se, of the national rifle association. he leads at the behest of the board. and i think...
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she is nra all the way. and then debbie halvorson met this public pressure. >> in the race to replace jesse jackson, watch out for debbie halvorson. when she was in congress before, halvorson got an "a" from the nra. the nra, against comprehensive background checks, against banning deadly assault weapons, against banning high hawaii capacity ammunition clips. halvorson even sponsored a bill that would allow some criminals to carry loaded guns across state lines. debbie halvorson. when it comes to promoting gun violence, she gets an f. >> that ad, that pressure ad comes from new york city mayor michael bloomberg's pro-gun reform superpac. it's part of his campaign to build support in congress for meaningful national gun reform. and you know what? it appears to be working. once that ad started running in her district, debbie halvorson, who had said she would not be moved on this issue, debbie halvorson moved on this issue. ms. halvorson telling buzzfeed, quote, my win will not be a victory for the nra. how can
she is nra all the way. and then debbie halvorson met this public pressure. >> in the race to replace jesse jackson, watch out for debbie halvorson. when she was in congress before, halvorson got an "a" from the nra. the nra, against comprehensive background checks, against banning deadly assault weapons, against banning high hawaii capacity ammunition clips. halvorson even sponsored a bill that would allow some criminals to carry loaded guns across state lines. debbie...
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the nra's wayne lapiera pfepier we're out of time. we're going to keep this conversation up for months. you have had the experience of knowing how important it is. gabby giffords, husband mark kelly. >> and that's the difference other victims are now speaking up, and to see gaggy yesterday and her husband by her side talking about this, these were strong nra supporters and yet they see what can be done. >> i think -- >> 20 dead first graders -- >> go ahead, ron. jifs going to say in closing, 20 dead first graders has a way of concentrating the mind. >> right. >> it's a serious conversation. it's an american conversation. thank you, congresswoman carolyn mccarthy of new york and ron reagan. >>> we have one more note about the epidemic of gun violence in this country. yesterday we told you about 15-year-oldh adia pendleton of chicago who was fate ideally shot in what may have been a gang turf war. after having performed in washington with her high school band for the inaugural music festival, it all happened since then, we learned in 20
the nra's wayne lapiera pfepier we're out of time. we're going to keep this conversation up for months. you have had the experience of knowing how important it is. gabby giffords, husband mark kelly. >> and that's the difference other victims are now speaking up, and to see gaggy yesterday and her husband by her side talking about this, these were strong nra supporters and yet they see what can be done. >> i think -- >> 20 dead first graders -- >> go ahead, ron. jifs...
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. >> reporter: but there was little sign that the white house and the nra found any common ground. after today's meeting, harsh words from the nra's president. >> the administration was able to check the box and say they talked to the representatives of firearms owners and the groups that support the second amendment and now they were going to try to proceed with what they wanted to do. >> reporter: the nra reports, since the newtown shooting, its membership has swelled by 100,000, now standing at 4.2 million. and at an oklahoma city gun store, owner miles hall says his customers are preparing for tighter gun laws. >> what was interesting is who was doing the buying. this wasn't anybody crazed or anything about that. they were just people who wanted to have something before the government said they couldn't have it. >> reporter: public policy experts say the politics of gun control have shifted since newtown. >> the tragedy of what happened in newtown and the previous tragedies behind have clearly changed the game on gun control in a way that's historically unprecedented. there is
. >> reporter: but there was little sign that the white house and the nra found any common ground. after today's meeting, harsh words from the nra's president. >> the administration was able to check the box and say they talked to the representatives of firearms owners and the groups that support the second amendment and now they were going to try to proceed with what they wanted to do. >> reporter: the nra reports, since the newtown shooting, its membership has swelled by...
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they don't need to be nra members to have that feeling. the nra is powerful. these outside groups get more credit than they deserve. there's a bunch of people that own guns they don't need an nra sticker to feel passionate about that issue. >> we'll see you later on "morning joe." now to a developing overseas where american citizens are among dozens of people being held in a hostage standoff. this is unfolding now in the is a had-- sahara desert. dozens of hostages who work at the plant including americans. officials say at least two people were killed during the raid. the militants claim the take is revenge for france's military operation against rebels in neighboring mali. the u.s. providing assistance to that effort. take a listen to leon panetta talking about this standoff. >> by all indications this is a terrorist act and the united states strongly condemns these kinds of terrorist acts. it's a very serious matter when americans are taken hostage along with others. >> the algierian military says it has the oil compound is your rounded adding it will not n
they don't need to be nra members to have that feeling. the nra is powerful. these outside groups get more credit than they deserve. there's a bunch of people that own guns they don't need an nra sticker to feel passionate about that issue. >> we'll see you later on "morning joe." now to a developing overseas where american citizens are among dozens of people being held in a hostage standoff. this is unfolding now in the is a had-- sahara desert. dozens of hostages who work at...